If the Philippines always get the raw end of a hard deal when it comes to US-made weapons procurement and Russian-made equipment are off-limits (the MDT and JUSMAG blahblahblah) , then why not consider European-made platforms?

Spanish Pizarro is one possible future platform for the Philippine Army.
chart showing various configurations of the Pizarro:

do you mean configurations?


why are you always want american or russian or europe equipment when we in singapore have various capable vehicles sold at cheaper costs but equivalent in performance to others and more adapted to terrain in asia?

It's really simple, you buy arms from countries that shares geopolitical interest with you. That's the reason why RP have not bought from the swedes, south africans, EU, Israel and the likes. Singapore in particular have their cards close to their chest, in one side they are arming themselves as if they are gonna hold back China yet they have not rattle sabers with China. We wanna buy weapons to countries where we can see which side of their toast is buttered. Otherwise its all a commercial affair, isn't it?

US was the perfect partner, unfortunately we have not closed a deal akin to Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, or Israel. Its high time to look for another partner considering we sorted out our fiscal issues.

The countries on that list are Russia, Taiwan, Japan or Korea. It just makes sense that you close a commercial deal as consequence of their geopolitical interest. Just like in the case of the Hueys, if we had it our way, will let PAL technical center or the 205th wing rebuild it instead of STA. But the US is playing its own politics too. Can not tell the puppet master that holds that purse strings to do so. That's the downside of Bush politics. It has not been done in the Clinton admin.

bec this makes good business sense :thumb:

Exactly, and the RP do not intend to deal with countries who do not share its security interest. Just imagine if we pruchased Singaporean hardware and a conflict with China explodes, as Singapore has investment interests in China and will pertain to huge losses if appropriated by China as an enemy state, Singapore opted to either join China or sit on the fence (which is by the way are the same), then our spares and support problems multiplies.

Acquiring Singaporean hardware does makes business sense to Singapore but not to the Philippines. So that explains why we do not purchase from your country. We would rather purchase from Indonesia or Thailand (if they have something of value).

The UH-1s from STA are okay we can purchase parts from third party suppliers, the ULTIMAX are limited in quantities and do not largely pose a problem. As apokalypze posited, we can even buy it from Spain and will not potentially feel the pinch.

unfortunately you cannot anything from those countries

Well not yet, I am hopeful about Asian countries. Their time will come.

Well, come to think of it, why not be the manufacturers ourselves?

That would definitely save us dollars and that will provide our countrymen with much-needed jobs.

THAT'S THE BEST SETUP FOR US! :exactly:

Imagine if we become the exporters of these to other Asian countries instead?

What will be the ROI and ROE? Will the AFP commit to a long term deal to insure its viability? Show the legislation and droves will flock this sector. Ever wonder why small local entepreneurs are only interested like that .45 cal SMG on another thread? its because there is no risk management clauses in the SRDP that protects the manufacturer, thus building complex systems entails great risks to the investor local or foreign.

PGMA, being the top decission-maker and the Cmdr-In-Chief of the AFP must now ask Congress and her Cabinet to lay out the needed legislation and programs that will support and boost this industry.

Our target here is not just the local supply requirement but the export market also.

Photos of Pizarros

ya i think eropean tanks are cool but can our geat nation aford one that the question if we can buy one how about isralie like the merkava thats a cool tank

My personal thoughts are that for Singaporeans made stuffs, other than perhaps small arms, like grenade launchers, rifles, light machine gun, etc......Bcos reason is veri simple, THEY ARE JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. Now Philippines main threats are the Abu sayaff, and militants down south, U dun use things like Primus or bionix to fight those guys rite? It would be a over kill.
Further more Philippines is working on a extremely tight budget. Unless, Singapore managed to produce a Bionix-lite or Endurance class-lite, I dun think Philippines would want to buy.

The part on China, I dun think China is too worried abt Singaporeans selling arms to Philippines. They are more worried of big players nearer to home like Japan, South Korea. Since they have not settle the Taiwan issue and the East sea oil field row with Japan ,I dun think they carry much of other isse. As long as their energy supply route is not disrupted, they dun care.

ya ur right about china but if we buy arm from singapor i think chinas is going to
watch ur moves do think because they have forces near philippines

Let#s go for Singaporean stuff. They have the same quality and are cheaper---that's should be our first choice!!!



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I doubt there is much Singapore has much to offer. I do agree that Singapore's aim of designing our own weapons is to achieve self reliance, but also bcos equipments available on the current market can't satisfy our needs. Like it is well-known that ASEAN nations have high rainfall and narrow routes between vegetations. Thus things like American, Russian, NATO type vehicles are out of the equation.

But on a serious note, no doubt our weapons are cheaper than the NATO types, we could never beat the cost price of Russian, China designs in terms of quantity as they have a big pool of man power. Ani way like my previous post I doubt the Philippines army need an AFV to tackle the insurgents rite? Thus I think Singapore can only offer small arms, as it is most probably used to fight the insurgents.

But I have seen previous post here that the insurgents use the RPG7 isit? Maybe the Bionix may come in handy, as the Bionix comes with composite armour, it is said to be able to defend against RPG

Ok........ For those interested, about Singapore made small arms. Sorry for hijacking this thread.


SAR-21

Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 805 mm
Barrel length: 508 mm
Weight: 3.82 kg without magazine and accessories, 4.44 kg loaded with magazine and 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 450-650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 500 meters

SAR-80

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm (.223 remington)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 970 mm (738 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 459 mm
Weigth: 3.7 kg empty
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20, 30 rounds

SR-88

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm (.223 Remington)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 960 mm (810 mm when butt folded)
Barrel length: 460 mm
Weigth: 3.68 kg with empty magazine
Rate of fire: 700-900 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds standard (any M16-type magazine will fit)

Ultimax-100

caliber 5.56mm NATO
weigth 4,9 kg w/o magazine, 6,8 kg with loaded 100 rds mag and sling
Length 1024 mm
Length of barrel 508 mm OR 330 mm ('para' version)
feeding drum magazine 100 rounds OR box magazine 30 rounds
rate of fire 400-600 rounds per minute

CIS 0.5 HMG

caliber .50BMG (12,7x99)
weigth 30kg on tripod
Length 1670 mm
Length of barrel 1141 mm
feeding two belts 100 rounds (one from each side of the gun)
rate of fire 400-600

i think its time or us to build our own tanks like the isrealiest but i heard of a filipino tank the hari digma right? what happen to it? :salute:

European Are the BEST TANK AND ARMOURED VECHICLE MAKER, but the price is expensive, still the quality is the BEST.

let's say CHALLENGER and LEOPARD TANK is the BEST. :specool:

there is no problem in getting it....to pay for it thats the question. US has a budget every year for military hardware to help their allies. It's not much though.