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mazingu - October 23, 2008 06:14 AM (GMT)
The article title reads Phil. Army but actually its about Maj. Gen. Sabban and his Marines. :ssalute:

Philippine army relies on a sympathetic public

By Warren P. Strobel | McClatchy Newspapers

PATIKUL, Philippines — Philippine Marine Maj. Gen. Juancho Sabban strides through a large roadside field, gesturing to the location where volunteers are spending their Sunday building homes for the homeless.

"This was once a battleground," he says. "It was abnormal for you to see people gathering like this. But now it's normal."

Lush with palm trees and jungle greenery, Patikul municipality used to be one of the most dangerous addresses on Jolo island, a favorite ambush point for Moro Islamic Liberation Front insurgents and a haunt for the al Qaida linked Abu Sayyaf Group.

Much of the southern Philippines, however, remains violent. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front, which seeks an autonomous Muslim homeland, and the government have been engaged in their fiercest fighting since 2003.

However, places such as Jolo and Basilan — a larger island to the north — that once were the Filipino equivalent of Iraq's Anbar province have remained relatively calm since the fighting resumed in mid-August.

U.S. military commanders here give much of the credit to Sabban, and he said that U.S. forces are indispensable to his effort.

Sabban's baby-faced demeanor and soft voice belie a complicated past. As a junior officer, he was among those who helped overthrow dictator Ferdinand Marcos in 1986. Three years later, he participated in a coup attempt against President Corazon Aquino. He spent several years in jail and then on the run.

Sabban's Marines took over from the Philippine Army here three years ago, and began implementing a "hearts and minds" strategy to win over the populace. He calls it "a scramble for the masses."

It was a sharp change in approach for the Filipino government, which over the years had alternated between negotiating peace with the rebels and attempting to bludgeon them into submission.

Sabban gives his troops human rights training, and seems convinced — and proud — that the populace has shifted to his side and away from the rebels.

One day, a local village chief told Sabban's troops that Abu Sayyaf leader Khaddafy Janjalani and 150 of his men had just passed nearby. Filipino troops killed Janjalani in a firefight on Sept. 4, 2006, dealing the group a blow from which it's yet to recover. Sabban recounted the story in an interview a mile from where Janjalani died.

"Now we have early-warning devices all over the jungle," he says, referring to sympathetic civilians.

U.S. Special Operations Forces play a supporting role that's highly sensitive politically. Opponents of the U.S. military presence here charge that Washington is trying to re-establish the Philippines bases it closed in the early 1990s, an intention American commanders deny.

U.S. Army Col. Bill Coultrup, the commander of the 500-person Joint Special Operations Task Force-Philippines, includes a slide in his standard PowerPoint briefing that warns: "Any perception of U.S. offensive or unilateral operations equals U.S. strategic failure in the Philippines."

So, while American funds help pay for rebuilt bridges and refurbished wells, U.S. soldiers don't do a single good deed without Philippine military officers beside them, ensuring that the Filipinos and the government in Manila get the credit.

Officials at the Pentagon and the State Department say that Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, an early convert to President Bush's war on terror, has every incentive to keep the arrangement going for as long as possible — and with it the flow of U.S. money and expertise.

Filipino commanders say they still need U.S. assistance, particularly in the form of sophisticated intelligence.

The U.S. troops "have been a very big factor in our success here," Sabban said. "If the U.S. forces will be out, it will be a big blow to our strategy."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/54610.html

Fallen Angel - October 23, 2008 12:16 PM (GMT)
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Sabban gives his troops human rights training, and seems convinced — and proud — that the populace has shifted to his side and away from the rebels.


:ssalute: Good job sir!

caterwaul - February 4, 2009 03:34 AM (GMT)
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One day, a local village chief told Sabban's troops that Abu Sayyaf leader Khaddafy Janjalani and 150 of his men had just passed nearby. Filipino troops killed Janjalani in a firefight on Sept. 4, 2006, dealing the group a blow from which it's yet to recover. Sabban recounted the story in an interview a mile from where Janjalani died.


this was before the ICRC kidnapping

:armyroleyes:

If this is another country, Gen. Sabban would have been relieved a long time ago.

markniraq - February 7, 2009 01:38 AM (GMT)
I think its safe to say with a little echoing that the US is propping up the military and providing just more than friendly smiles and us dollars.

Iron Dragon - February 11, 2009 01:00 AM (GMT)
Gen. Sabban probably knows very well that he cannot afford another fiasco this time like the previous that killed several officers and men of a Force Recon class.

Even a single ICRC hostage killed in a military operation against the kidnappers will be a death blow to his career and another black mark against the reputation of the AFP.

zundino - February 16, 2009 05:08 AM (GMT)
give the general a chance, he is just doing his job where making hard decisions is common.

Gwapo_Ako - March 6, 2009 04:28 AM (GMT)
I watched an episode last year in History Channel Asia regarding Gen. Sabban's exploits with the help of an unknown CIA operative in dealing and elimination of ASG - Abu Sabaya's group in Mindanao.

The title of the documentary was STALKING JIHAD it was played in History Asia (formerly History Channel Asia) thrice last year.

Martin Burnham was played by Mark Gil.

BabyEagle - March 9, 2009 08:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Feb 11 2009, 09:00 AM)
Gen. Sabban probably knows very well that he cannot afford another fiasco this time like the previous that killed several officers and men of a Force Recon class.

Even a single ICRC hostage killed in a military operation against the kidnappers will be a death blow to his career and another black mark against the reputation of the AFP.

Amen. Press blitz siya ngayon. He is all over the newspapers. AFP site din. Nag ambisyon talaga mag Commandant. Dapat Wesmincom na lang ang targetin niya. May two stars na siya, pag Westmincom maka three stars pa siya. O di mas mabuti sa kanya diba?

jedi knight - March 10, 2009 07:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ Mar 10 2009, 04:01 AM)
QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Feb 11 2009, 09:00 AM)
Gen. Sabban probably knows very well that he cannot afford another fiasco this time like the previous that killed several officers and men of a Force Recon class.

Even a single ICRC hostage killed in a military operation against the kidnappers will be a death blow to his career and another black mark against the reputation of the AFP.

Amen. Press blitz siya ngayon. He is all over the newspapers. AFP site din. Nag ambisyon talaga mag Commandant. Dapat Wesmincom na lang ang targetin niya. May two stars na siya, pag Westmincom maka three stars pa siya. O di mas mabuti sa kanya diba?

I heard from old warriors of the PMC that what Gen. Sabban is doing is actually his specialty, inte and counter-intel and surgical operations. I guess there is nothing to do with ambitions, the only down-side of Gen. Sabban is his involvement in the 1989 coup.

As for the Force Recon Class, test missions are always part and parcel of joining elite units such as the Force Recon, Scout Rangers and Special Forces, if you passed the course without any encounter, good for you, to kill and being killed is part of being a soldier, if one is afraid to die, then choose a different profession.

BabyEagle - March 10, 2009 07:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jedi knight @ Mar 10 2009, 03:32 PM)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ Mar 10 2009, 04:01 AM)
QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Feb 11 2009, 09:00 AM)
Gen. Sabban probably knows very well that he cannot afford another fiasco this time like the previous that killed several officers and men of a Force Recon class.

Even a single ICRC hostage killed in a military operation against the kidnappers will be a death blow to his career and another black mark against the reputation of the AFP.

Amen. Press blitz siya ngayon. He is all over the newspapers. AFP site din. Nag ambisyon talaga mag Commandant. Dapat Wesmincom na lang ang targetin niya. May two stars na siya, pag Westmincom maka three stars pa siya. O di mas mabuti sa kanya diba?

I heard from old warriors of the PMC that what Gen. Sabban is doing is actually his specialty, inte and counter-intel and surgical operations. I guess there is nothing to do with ambitions, the only down-side of Gen. Sabban is his involvement in the 1989 coup.

As for the Force Recon Class, test missions are always part and parcel of joining elite units such as the Force Recon, Scout Rangers and Special Forces, if you passed the course without any encounter, good for you, to kill and being killed is part of being a soldier, if one is afraid to die, then choose a different profession.

He is doing well in Jolo. Tarnished lang ang image kiya dahil doon sa pag sali niya sa mga coup.

Concerning Force Recon, you can't graduate yata if you don't get your feet wet, meaning may encounter. To get killed or not is the consequence of the encounter no?

Anyway Mabuhay kayong lahat mga Marines!!! Mag kaisa dapat kayong lahat ulit! Wag mag-politica. Parang noong 1986, buong buo sila noon. Kahit nag defect na karamihan ng AFP, solid parin sila. Kaya kinakabahan pa rin sila Cory noon hangan nag "courtesy call" yung mga Marines sa kanila at na recognize na yung gobyerno nila. Hoorah
Marines !!!

kingkong - May 1, 2009 03:58 AM (GMT)
Gen.Juancho Saban must command the CSSB,PMRF
to pursue the Abu Sayyaf AND FINISH THE TERRORISTS!

Spidey - May 1, 2009 01:38 PM (GMT)
haaay naku another post whore :headbang:

can you please expound why CSSB PMRF should be at the forefront in eradicating the ASG?


BabyEagle - May 1, 2009 06:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (kingkong @ May 1 2009, 11:58 AM)
Gen.Juancho Saban must command the CSSB,PMRF
to pursue the Abu Sayyaf AND FINISH THE TERRORISTS!

Your are funny pare ! :headbang:

Please expound on the role of CSSB and PMRF. Funny ka talaga.

CSSB and PMRF by the way is headed by a very competent and newly promoted officer, General Ramiro Alivio. General Sir Congrats !

jedi knight - May 4, 2009 06:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ May 2 2009, 02:57 AM)
QUOTE (kingkong @ May 1 2009, 11:58 AM)
Gen.Juancho Saban must command the CSSB,PMRF
to pursue the Abu Sayyaf AND FINISH THE TERRORISTS!

Your are funny pare ! :headbang:

Please expound on the role of CSSB and PMRF. Funny ka talaga.

CSSB and PMRF by the way is headed by a very competent and newly promoted officer, General Ramiro Alivio. General Sir Congrats !

Good to hear that Gen. Alivio got his star, he was the sacrificial lamb and a casualty of the Basilan incident last 2007. He's a good man acoording to a family friend who onced occupied the no. 2 position in the PMC.

BabyEagle - May 4, 2009 08:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (jedi knight @ May 4 2009, 02:21 PM)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ May 2 2009, 02:57 AM)
QUOTE (kingkong @ May 1 2009, 11:58 AM)
Gen.Juancho Saban must command the CSSB,PMRF
to pursue the Abu Sayyaf AND FINISH THE TERRORISTS!

Your are funny pare ! :headbang:

Please expound on the role of CSSB and PMRF. Funny ka talaga.

CSSB and PMRF by the way is headed by a very competent and newly promoted officer, General Ramiro Alivio. General Sir Congrats !

Good to hear that Gen. Alivio got his star, he was the sacrificial lamb and a casualty of the Basilan incident last 2007. He's a good man acoording to a family friend who onced occupied the no. 2 position in the PMC.

Indeed he was. Task Force thunder was in control at that time, in effect si Gen. Sabban ang nag change of plans and inserted the Force Recon class for a head on encounter with an overwhelming force. Resulting tin the death of 5 officers.

We were very shocked when we heard he was relieved. He was replaced by another good officer, Gen.Rustico Guerrero.

Si Boing, ka brad ko, sa Jolo at si Alivio naman noon sa Basilan. Boing is another competent officer. If you know who I am talking about, mabuhay kayong lahat na mga marino, Hoorah! :crawling:

jedi knight - May 5, 2009 07:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ May 5 2009, 04:28 AM)
QUOTE (jedi knight @ May 4 2009, 02:21 PM)
QUOTE (BabyEagle @ May 2 2009, 02:57 AM)
QUOTE (kingkong @ May 1 2009, 11:58 AM)
Gen.Juancho Saban must command the CSSB,PMRF
to pursue the Abu Sayyaf AND FINISH THE TERRORISTS!

Your are funny pare ! :headbang:

Please expound on the role of CSSB and PMRF. Funny ka talaga.

CSSB and PMRF by the way is headed by a very competent and newly promoted officer, General Ramiro Alivio. General Sir Congrats !

Good to hear that Gen. Alivio got his star, he was the sacrificial lamb and a casualty of the Basilan incident last 2007. He's a good man acoording to a family friend who onced occupied the no. 2 position in the PMC.

Indeed he was. Task Force thunder was in control at that time, in effect si Gen. Sabban ang nag change of plans and inserted the Force Recon class for a head on encounter with an overwhelming force. Resulting tin the death of 5 officers.

We were very shocked when we heard he was relieved. He was replaced by another good officer, Gen.Rustico Guerrero.

Si Boing, ka brad ko, sa Jolo at si Alivio naman noon sa Basilan. Boing is another competent officer. If you know who I am talking about, mabuhay kayong lahat na mga marino, Hoorah! :crawling:

yup, remembered it well, it was Brig. Gen. Ed Ducusin, then the deputy commandant, PMC who presided over the change of command between then Cols. Ramiro Alivio and Rustico Guerrero.

It was all over the newspapers. :thumb:

BARBER 6 - May 5, 2009 03:02 PM (GMT)
Yes, and the one who f****d up was the one getting all the accolades. :headbang:

BabyEagle - May 5, 2009 06:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BARBER 6 @ May 5 2009, 11:02 PM)
Yes, and the one who f****d up was the one getting all the accolades. :headbang:

Aray ! :headbang:

You reffering to Sabban ? Napasakit, kuya Eddie! :dunno:




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