I've been waiting for someone to start this thread.....

In this forum, we bashed and criticized the institution for producing the likes of Gen. Garcia ('71), Gen. Ligot ('70) and Gen de la Paz ('76) for alleged corruption while in the AFP and PNP. Some of us even advocated for the abolition of the Academy.

Now came Maj. Marcelino ('94) who allegedly refused to accept a bribe worth Php 20 million, a Marine Major whose ancestral home looks like a squatter's house, a person who lost his sister because he doesn't have Php 80, 000 for her operation.

This people came from the same institution, can we make a generalization?

Maj. Marcelino is the man, he has my absolute admiration and support. :ssalute:

I wish there are more of him in the AFP.

maj. marcelino is maybe incorruptible but he did commit technical errors in the arrest of the alabang boys which the doj corrupt prosecutors exploited as grounds for its dismissal of the case in lieu of monetary considerations.

Yep, the normal lusot being done in the justice system. Due to technicalities. :bs:

ah nice to be in another forum.lots of reading to catch up. but anyway, a lot of praises to maj. marcelino in another forum (almost the same name as this one).

to maj. marcelino, prestige (maybe) won't feed your family. but, it will make you and your family proud and happy in the years to come. unlike corruption, it will only bring you and your next generation bad luck and misery for a hundred years.

stay humble and stand up always to the ideals of the noble profession that we pledged to serve! :armycheers: :patrioticpinoy:

i mean..to follow! :salute:

there might be some technicalities in the arrest, however it can be discussed in another thread/forum. what i'm trying to drive at is the contrast among graduates of the Philippine Military Academy, that we can not blame the institution for the kind of people they produce.

PEACE

as in any other institution, grouping, organization anywhere in the world, there will always be bad apples and good apples.

I salute Maj. Marcelino and the ideals and priciples he espouse.

Mabuhay ka :ssalute:

:ssalute:

a soldier who's driven by genuine patriotism and love of the his sworn duty.

the REAL cream of the CROP of the Philippine Military Academy.

Being the baron doesnt confirm one as being the best. One's achievement in the line of service does.

:salute:

Another star could have been added to his shoulder had he co-operated with the NBI in the alleged bribery investigation.

The issue is corruption and to be a model officer he should have executed a sworn statement on what his knowledge about the alleged bribery and who are those whom he alleged to have attempted to bribe him. To be at the helm of the so called PDEA, it requires a knowledgeable leader who is case and law oriented so that cases will not be trashed due to legal technicalities. Not an officer who acts like a politician by snubbing and ignoring subpoenas to shed light on what he called attempted bribery of fifty million pesos. How could you be a reliable law enforcer if you ignore investigation which is relevant to your given position ? If there was an attempted bribery addressed to him, he should remember that this is a crime and what he should have done is to catch the scam bug otherwise, one would believe that it was just a story of make-believe. In a simple view, it destroyed his credibility.

What a waste of time and resources that the suspects were able to get away with it, and so with the prosecutors who were suspected of taking bribes capitalizing the loopholes that destroyed the accuracy of the case due to technical defects who also got away with it just because of hearsay accusations. I just don't know where to get the credit and to whom it shall be awarded. What could have been expected is either imprisonment of the suspects for the drug offense or imprisonment of the alleged corrupt prosecutors and disbarment of the counsel of one of the suspect who is known as Atty. Verano.

Who claimed that the Barons are the best?

Sir, it's just how people see them usually.

Just like in other institutions, gaining the top award makes people believe you really are the best in everything.

FYI, the BARON is the Brigade Commander of the CCAFP (Cadet Corps Armed Forces of the Philippines), and it does not mean that he gets the Top Award on their Graduation (It is till the Number one in the Class who gets it). Though it's a very prestigious position during Cadet days, it does not assure that he gets the Top Award. Outside of PMA or in the real world the most talked upon person is the one who graduated number 1 (sometimes the GOAT or the TARZAN of the class). Below is the partial awards given during Graduation Rites: (Borrowed from the MAsIKHAY '99 Website).

AWARD BASIS
PRESIDENTIAL SABER #1 In Graduation Merit Roll
VICE-PRESIDENTIAL SABER #2 In Graduation Merit Roll
SND SABER #3 In Graduation Merit Roll

CG, PA SABER #1 in Army
CG, PAF SABER #1 in Air Force
FOIC, PN SABER #1 in Navy

CHIEF OF STAFF SABER Brigade Commander, CCAFP
AGUINALDO SABER #1 in in APT & CON & Leadership
ATHLETIC SABER Most Accomplished Athlete

ARMY PLAQUE #1 in in Army Core Courses
AIR FORCE PLAQUE #1 in Air Force Core Courses
NAVY PLAQUE #1 in Navy Core Courses

CIS PLAQUE #1 in Computer Science
ENG'G SCIENCES PLAQUE #1 in Engineering
MANAGEMENT PLAQUE #1 in Management

HUMANITIES PLAQUE #1 in DHUM PMA Core Courses
MATHEMATICS PLAQUE #1 in DMAT PMA Core Courses
PHYSICAL SCIENCES PLAQUE #1 in DPS PMA Core Courses
SOCIAL SCIENCES PLAQUE #1 in DSS PMA Core Courses
PHYSICAL EDUCATION PLAQUE #1 in PE Courses
TAMBULI PLAQUE #1 in EE Courses

Noted po.

Thank you very much, Sir.

Sir, those getting MOV awards and the gold cross awards, are they mostly from the PMA?

How about in cases like that of Major Marcelino, what other great achievement's link the top awardees in PMA?

I don't have the figures for MOV and GCM awards, but the funny thing is, the PMAers who get this Awards (well mostly) are those who didn't quite do good in their Academics during their Cadet days. Maybe because Offices in the AFP recruit these bright graduates and the not so good ones are sent to the battlefield. Obviously those in the battlefield will rack up those awards. 'Ika nga: "Warrior inside the Academy (during Academics) and still a Warrior in the field"... :lollol:

Come to think of it, it's true.

And those academic topnotch usually end up getting posts in politics.

A similar case is that of Sen. Honasan.

Baron of the class and endup up doing much in reforming the AFP, in his own way.

In a simple explanation, the brightests but not so tough physically and emotionally become the armchair generals doing the plans, while the not so intelligent and not so smart but brave and fit to fight until the last breath goes to battle.

Not a bad setup so to speak. It's how it must be.

The problem there is that, the intelligent ones ends up ..... plundering the AFP funds while the brave ones are bleeding to death due to lack of equipment and medical care.

That's the darkest part.

I disagree...it does not mean that the brightest are the not so tough physically and emotionally...it just happens that when their orders where cut they just have to follow it.

I can neither agree nor disagree because i'm too far away from knowing completely what the real status is.

Actually, as they (those who are from the inside and not) always say; "most of those getting high positions became corrupt and greedy".

They were once patriotic and selfless when they were still LTs braving the bullets and blasts in the field jobs.

But after years of witnessing the abuse and misdeeds of their superiors and the politicians, and after having tasted the comfort of their own airconditioned offices in the big camps and all of what their lucious dirty money can afford them, they have now become part of the termites that are slowly bringing the whole house down.

BUT THIS CAN NEVER THRIVE UNDER A GOVERNMENT THAT ISNT CORUPT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW EYES WITH ABLE CLAWS AND FANGS WILL GET THEM BUSTED.

Under a corrupt one, it's all fiesta for those who have turned evil .... and the usual breed of greed in our politics.

I don't know where your line of thinking is going...your thoughts are way off line. Or you just have to inject your ideas even if it doesn't make sense to what we are talking about. Haaay you just have to find a way to malign the AFP. Grow up man.

Ang ganda ganda ng usapan eh... :nono: