Title: Used ex-USN/USCG warships
Description: updates, discussions, etc.
Description: updates, discussions, etc.
21Scorpio - October 14, 2005 07:46 AM (GMT)
It was reported 4 years ago that we are expecting 4 high endurance cutters (Hamilton Class) from the US. What happened to this deals is there any news about this plan of yhe navy. Also it was reported that 2 more cyclones are coming.. is there any truth about this? :dunno:
saver111 - October 14, 2005 08:45 AM (GMT)
I've read somewhere 2 were delivered to the Sri Lankan Navy. Not sure though if those were part of it. :dunno: As for the cylcones, it was stated sometime that they are now used by the Department of Homeland Security.
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=14569
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/decom.htm#uscg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/03idx.htm
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=14569
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/decom.htm#uscg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/03idx.htm
21Scorpio - October 14, 2005 09:07 AM (GMT)
No USS Courageous is not one of the Hamilton class high endurance cutters of the US Coast Guard. Hamiltons are far more capble than the this class.
israeli - October 14, 2005 04:31 PM (GMT)
the Hamiltons will stay in USCG service for a longer period of time until their replacements arrive.
hmmmmmm... those 40-year old Hamiltons might just end up like the Cannon class destroyer escort and the Auk and PCE corvettes- old, rusting hulls that are expensive to maintain and operate. the Philippine Navy will be better off getting younger ships than these somewhat old Hamiltons. besides, if we get these Hamiltons, expect them to remain with in service for the next... 20 or 30 years. :wow:
hmmmmmm... those 40-year old Hamiltons might just end up like the Cannon class destroyer escort and the Auk and PCE corvettes- old, rusting hulls that are expensive to maintain and operate. the Philippine Navy will be better off getting younger ships than these somewhat old Hamiltons. besides, if we get these Hamiltons, expect them to remain with in service for the next... 20 or 30 years. :wow:
jammerjamesky - October 14, 2005 04:43 PM (GMT)
rather go for the Cyclones family and pointer class .
israeli - October 14, 2005 05:17 PM (GMT)
the Cyclones are only good in inshore patrol duties. what the PN needs are vessels that could do 24/7 offshore patrol duties such as OPVs and "deterrents" such as guided-missile corvettes. the PN already has so much "experience" with inshore patrol but is very much lacking in other capabilities such as amphibious transport, offshore patrol, anti-ship warfare, anti-submarine warfare, anti-air warfare and mine warfare.
SigP229 - October 15, 2005 02:19 PM (GMT)
That Reliance class cutter wud have been a good addition to the PN's offshore patrol fleet. Too bad Sri lanka was the one that got it.
israeli - November 13, 2008 06:49 PM (GMT)
http://www.marinebuzz.com/2008/10/20/refur...n-navy-in-2010/
Refurbished US Frigate, USS McInerney to Join Pakistan Navy in 2010
20 Oct, 2008
Pakistan Navy is getting ready to add up a refurbished US frigate, USS McInerney (FFG-8) in 2010. Being a “major non-NATO ally”, Pakistan will be receiving this 32 years old guided missile frigate, after refurbishing at a cost of USD 65 million. The overhaul of the frigate will include the fitting of an anti-submarine missile system, modern guns and other weapons. The latest anti-submarine missile system may be to safeguard against India’s demonstration in February, to launch nuclear capable missiles from underwater.
Further, this frigate will improve Pakistan Navy’s ability to safeguard territorial waters. Also Pakistan is a member of Combined Task Force 150 (CTF 150) for maritime security operations in the Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Pakistan also has commanded CTF 150 in 2006.
This addition of US frigate to Pakistan Navy takes place after Admiral Noman Bashir has taken over as the 18th Chief of Pakistan Navy on October 07. Also on October 14, Vice-Admiral Asif Humayun, Chief of Staff, Pakistan Navy while speaking at the Naval Engineering College, PNS Jauhar has told that more battleships and submarines are required by the Pakistan Navy in order to enhance the country’s defence capabilities to meet increasing regional maritime needs.
Refurbished US Frigate, USS McInerney to Join Pakistan Navy in 2010
20 Oct, 2008
Pakistan Navy is getting ready to add up a refurbished US frigate, USS McInerney (FFG-8) in 2010. Being a “major non-NATO ally”, Pakistan will be receiving this 32 years old guided missile frigate, after refurbishing at a cost of USD 65 million. The overhaul of the frigate will include the fitting of an anti-submarine missile system, modern guns and other weapons. The latest anti-submarine missile system may be to safeguard against India’s demonstration in February, to launch nuclear capable missiles from underwater.
Further, this frigate will improve Pakistan Navy’s ability to safeguard territorial waters. Also Pakistan is a member of Combined Task Force 150 (CTF 150) for maritime security operations in the Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Sea, Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Pakistan also has commanded CTF 150 in 2006.
This addition of US frigate to Pakistan Navy takes place after Admiral Noman Bashir has taken over as the 18th Chief of Pakistan Navy on October 07. Also on October 14, Vice-Admiral Asif Humayun, Chief of Staff, Pakistan Navy while speaking at the Naval Engineering College, PNS Jauhar has told that more battleships and submarines are required by the Pakistan Navy in order to enhance the country’s defence capabilities to meet increasing regional maritime needs.
israeli - November 15, 2008 10:08 AM (GMT)
the Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008 of the United States Congress proposes the transfer of several ex-US Navy vessels to certain countries. among them include:
* Pakistan = USS McInerney, a Perry class frigate
* Greece = USS Osprey and USS Robin, two Osprey class minehunters
* Chile = USS Andrew J. Higgins, a Kaiser class oiler
* Peru = USS Fresno and USS Racine, two Newport class LSTs
more of the Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008 here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-3052
* Pakistan = USS McInerney, a Perry class frigate
* Greece = USS Osprey and USS Robin, two Osprey class minehunters
* Chile = USS Andrew J. Higgins, a Kaiser class oiler
* Peru = USS Fresno and USS Racine, two Newport class LSTs
more of the Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008 here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-3052
israeli - November 21, 2008 06:52 PM (GMT)
US LTS and oiler vessels for Peru and Chile navies
Mercopress
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Three decommissioned vessels from the United States Navy will be transferred in coming months to Peru and Chile once the US Congress approves the operation which is expected to happen at the end of the month, according to defence affairs publication “Enfoque Estratégico”.
Peru should be receiving two Tank Landing Ship units belonging to the Newport class which can transport a full 400 men battalion plus support vehicles.
The two vessels are "LST-1182 USS Fresno" and "LST-1191 USS Racine", which were commissioned in 1969 and 1971 and have been decommissioned since 1993.
Chile will receive an oil tanker Class Henry Kaiser which was delivered to the US Military Sealift Command, MSC, in 1987 and decommissioned in 1996.
The Chilean Navy has an only bunker, “Araucano” which was built in Denmark 41 years ago. However the US vessel is more of a “logistic” unit since it can transport other liquid fuels, dray cargo, spares and ammunition.
With some minor modifications this vessel could also transport troops or be equipped as a repair and maintenance work shop.
According to Chile’s Navy commander Admiral Rodolfo Codina purchase, refurbishing and re-equipment of the vessel will demand an estimated 50 million US dollars.
The US Navy Henry Kaiser class belongs to the fleet of replenishment oilers of which 16 were constructed between 1984 and 1996.
Mercopress
Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Three decommissioned vessels from the United States Navy will be transferred in coming months to Peru and Chile once the US Congress approves the operation which is expected to happen at the end of the month, according to defence affairs publication “Enfoque Estratégico”.
Peru should be receiving two Tank Landing Ship units belonging to the Newport class which can transport a full 400 men battalion plus support vehicles.
The two vessels are "LST-1182 USS Fresno" and "LST-1191 USS Racine", which were commissioned in 1969 and 1971 and have been decommissioned since 1993.
Chile will receive an oil tanker Class Henry Kaiser which was delivered to the US Military Sealift Command, MSC, in 1987 and decommissioned in 1996.
The Chilean Navy has an only bunker, “Araucano” which was built in Denmark 41 years ago. However the US vessel is more of a “logistic” unit since it can transport other liquid fuels, dray cargo, spares and ammunition.
With some minor modifications this vessel could also transport troops or be equipped as a repair and maintenance work shop.
According to Chile’s Navy commander Admiral Rodolfo Codina purchase, refurbishing and re-equipment of the vessel will demand an estimated 50 million US dollars.
The US Navy Henry Kaiser class belongs to the fleet of replenishment oilers of which 16 were constructed between 1984 and 1996.
MSantor - February 21, 2009 07:24 AM (GMT)
To think that some smaller navies continue to keep comparatively older ships in service (like the two modfiied ex-USN Tench class submarines still in Taiwanese service, the British-built Brazilian carrier Minas Gerais in reserve or even that Dutch-built Peruvian missile cruiser Almirante Grau still active) or in reserve while these are being scrapped.
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| As of February 2008, Constellation is scheduled to be disposed of by dismantling in the next five years, along with USS Independence. Sinking These ships will be disposed of by sinking in the listed fiscal years. * 2009: destroyer tender Acadia, destroyer Conolly, both no longer in service, and research ship Hayes. * 2010: combat store ships Concord, San Jose, Spica and Niagara Falls. * 2011: combat store ship Saturn and ammunition ship Kilauea. * 2012: ammunition ships Flint, Shasta, Mount Baker and Kiska. The decommissioned auxiliary aircraft landing training ship - and former carrier - Forrestal and destroyer Arthur W. Radford also are expected to be sunk, but no time frame has been determined. Scrapping These decommissioned ships are scheduled to be dismantled in the next five years: destroyer tender Puget Sound; command ship Coronado; submarine tenders Simon Lake, L.Y. Spear and McKee; cruisers Yorktown, Vincennes and Thomas S. Gates; aircraft carriers Independence and Constellation; amphibious transport dock Austin; helicopter amphibious assault ship New Orleans; dock landing ships Anchorage and Fort Fisher; submarine Trout; and nuclear submarines Drum, Omaha, Cincinnati, New York City, Groton, Birmingham, Phoenix and Baltimore. The fast-attack submarine Los Angeles, still in commission, also is on the list to be dismantled. http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/02/navy...isposal_080223w |
MSantor - November 15, 2009 06:52 PM (GMT)
More candidates for PN acquisition?
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USCG Debates Which Cutters to Decommission By philip ewing Published: 13 Nov 2009 12:27 The U.S. Coast Guard's aging fleet of high endurance cutters is in such bad shape that officials can't choose which ships to retire first as their replacements enter service. Coast Guard officials took delivery Nov. 6 of their second national security cutter, the Waesche, and work is proceeding on the third, Stratton, said Capt. Bruce Baffer, head of the Coast Guard's surface acquisitions, but the service doesn't know yet which of its older ships to replace with the new ones. "We have a number of schedules, but it seems to change about weekly," Baffer said. "It's hard to tell which ones are in worse shape." In the past year, the Coast Guard has had to sideline two of its 378-foot high-endurance cutters, the Dallas and Gallatin, for major engineering work. Officials initially would have said those two ships should leave service first - to be replaced by the national security cutters Bertholf and Waesche - but now they don't want to lose the money they invested in repairing them, Baffer said. The Coast Guard's four decade-old Hamilton-class cutters are disintegrating even as crews continue to drive them hard in missions at sea. When the Coast Guard makes its budget submission to Congress each year, Commandant Adm. Thad Allen includes photos that show the results of corrosion, fire and wear on ships that continue to operate at high tempos. Another issue with retiring older cutters is that many Coast Guard homeports include at least two ships, and decommissioning one of them could unbalance local crews and families. Officials also need to weigh the local effects of decommissioning both ships in a homeport, or closing the port altogether, Baffer said. So for the present, as new Legend-class national security cutters enter service, they'll augment, rather than replace, the Hamiltons. Baffer gave a presentation Nov. 12 at a Surface Navy Association event outside Washington. There was no clear answer on another Coast Guard modernization question: As the NSCs enter the fleet with their bigger flight decks - roomier than those on a Navy destroyer - will the ships begin carrying the long-range HH-60J Jayhawk helicopters? Today, the Jayhawk fleet flies from land stations, and Coast Guard cutters carry smaller, shorter-ranged MH-65C Dolphins. "That depends on who you ask," Baffer said. "The airdales say no." The Coast Guard is upgrading its fleet of Jayhawks to an MH-60T variant at a rate of about eight per year, but there are no organized plans to begin fielding them at sea, Baffer said. It would be complicated and expensive for Jayhawk pilots to stay qualified in landing on flight decks at sea, he said - especially since today there are so few national security cutters available on which they could practice. The Jayhawk is too big to land on the Coast Guard's Hamilton-class cutters, and it has become very rare for them to use the flight decks of the newer 270-foot ships in the fleet. Also, Baffer said that in many places where the Coast Guard operates, such as the Caribbean, the helo has such long legs it can operate just as effectively from land bases. "If the helo can fly so far away from the cutter that it can't catch up, why fly it off the ship?" Baffer said. Still, he remembered fondly deploying with a Jayhawk aboard the 270-foot medium-endurance cutter Thetis, which made life easy for the ship's crew. "It was great - you could launch them in the morning and pick them up six hours later." |
the Dallas
and the Gallatin
israeli - November 19, 2009 11:54 AM (GMT)
^ interesting. :armysmile:
the PN should really monitor this particular development. those Hamiltons maybe old (40 years old already) but give them modest upgrades, including the addition of ASuW, AAW and ASW suites, and they would work fine for the Philippine Navy.
aside from the Hamiltons, i hope that the PN would also check out the former Castle class OPVs of the Royal Navy, both of which are currently in storage.
the PN should really monitor this particular development. those Hamiltons maybe old (40 years old already) but give them modest upgrades, including the addition of ASuW, AAW and ASW suites, and they would work fine for the Philippine Navy.
aside from the Hamiltons, i hope that the PN would also check out the former Castle class OPVs of the Royal Navy, both of which are currently in storage.