Su-30MK

F-16A/B


Su-27SK


and singa said their air force is the best in asean, we can give them fight too!

:redface: correct Su-27SK


Our troopers:



:rocketfire:

:rollinlol: you make me laugh kopasus, dont you know that you cannot fly most of your fighters becasue of repairs and lack of spare parts?

Despite concerns that the force development vision first outlined five years ago by Abdur-rahman Wahid, then president, could prove stillborn, the Indonesian Navy is expanding under Chief of Naval Staff Adm Bernard Kent.Wahid said in 1999 that his first military priority was to boost the navy's size and capa­bilities to better safeguard Indonesia's extensive territorial waters and maritime resources (JDW23 February 2000). Adm Sondakh has refined this view by emphasising coastal interdic­tion, with a concurrent push to improve troop transport capabil­ities in order to more effectively move personnel and equipment throughout the vast Indonesian archipelago (JDW12 November).

Structural reforms proposed for the navy four years ago foresaw the creation of four regional naval commands to replace the eastern fleet based in Surabaya and the western fleet based in Jakarta. These were intended to focus more on maritime resource protection and development than on conventional naval defence missions, but the initiative was never implemented. Nei­ther was an alternate plan to split the two fleets to form three operational commands.

Adm Sondakh reversed direction by pushing for the two fleets to be merged into a single command-the Main Operations and Adminis­tration Defence Command - headquartered at Surubaya in East Java. Its creation is intended to improve efficiency by eliminating a command layer. The current status of this newest plan is unclear; some sources say the change has been implemented but not yet formalised. Regard­less, one Jakarta-based analyst says: "It will be done, because the navy chief wants it. And it makes sense."

Similar changes are under way in the navy's Marine Corps element, where a third brigade formation is being created. The existing strength of 13,000-15,000 is envisaged to reach some 20,000 by 2005 and expand further to 22,000 by 2009.

Development of troop transport capabilities has so far centred on the acquisition last year of a 122m landing platform dock (LPD) from South Korea's Dae Sun Shipbuilding & Engineering. The navy's inventory of major amphibious vessels includes 14 landing ships. An additional four to six LPDs, at about $30 million per unit, could replace or augment these if continuing talks with Dae Sun prove successful.

Singapore had earlier offered to donate five ex-US Navy County-class landing ships after they were phased out in favour of Endurance-class vessels, but the US may have blocked the transfer due to a continuing arms embargo.
Patrol capabilities were bolstered late last year through contract for two 90m Sigma-vari­ant corvettes from Schelde Naval Shipbuilding of the Netherlands, with an option for two more to be built locally. The corvettes will he fitted with MM40 Exocet anti-ship missiles and a 76mm Oto Melara main gun; Thales Naval Ned-erland will probably provide a combat system. Re-engineering has also continued for 16 ex-East German Kapiian Patimura (Parchim l)-class corvettes built some 20 years ago and obtained in 1993-95; two platforms received new Cater­pillar engines in 2002 and six more are due for completion this year.
Corvettes provide endurance, says one source, and patrol boats have speed. The navy now has 57 of the latter, but Adm Sondakh said on 4 September 2003 that 380 patrol boats are ideally required and that 200 additional plat­forms are the minimum.

The PT PAL shipyard completed two Todak (PB 57)-class large patrol craft in 2000 under a contract suspended for several years after it was originally concluded in 1993. The navy awaits funding approval for a further two. Also, the shipyard is designing a new 60m patrol craft for possible production this year or next; some sources say there may be an 80m design as well. Another current programme involves a new 35m patrol boat designed and built locally, which was unveiled on 31 December 2003. Three are operational, two more are under con­struction at two navy-owned shipyards and 10 additional platforms should be built.

The most promising recent initiative involves co-operative programmes. As part of the first of these the Riau provincial govern­ment donated a small patrol craft to the navy subsequent to an August 2003 memorandum of understanding. A second province followed suit and two or three more are considering the same step despite reservations among some legisla­tors on its legality.
On a potentially larger scale, talks were launched among several ministries and agen­cies late last year on developing ''multi-mission capabilities" that could involve programmes including the acquisition of patrol vessels and an upgrade for Indonesia's patchy coastal radar network. Together with the navy and air force, participants include the Ministry of Fisheries and Maritime Affairs, Customs Service, Transportation Ministry and the maritime communications section of the Communica­tions and Information Ministry.

The Fisheries Ministry, for example, could fund up to 90 patrol craft to be operated by the navy under a potential contract with PT PAL worth some $300 million. Poland and Ukraine are the shortlisted foreign partners and a pilot project involving this or other aspects of the "multi-mission solution" may be launched this year.

In the area of naval aviation, five ex-Aus­tralian ASTA (GAP) Nomads obtained last year supplement the 17 already held, including six configured for maritime patrol and delivered two years ago. Most recently, five Socata Tampico four-seat light aircraft were ordered as basic trainers in January, together with a simulator under a $2.5 million contract for delivery before
year-end. The navy could next pursue the acqui­sition of four second-hand twin-turboprop Fokker 50 maritime patrol aircraft (MPAs) offered by the manufacturer, Poland is also pitch­ing an unknown number of MPAs, perhaps the same PZL M28.05 Skytruck with MSC-400 radar recently sold to Vietnam, and this may be sought later.

This intense focus on improved con­trol of maritime territory led a US Coast Guard assessment team to visit Indonesia in January, but it is unclear whether Jakarta's intention is to form a separate coastguard service or improve the navy's involvement in this mission. In either case, conventional maritime defence has not been forgotten. Most notably, South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering won a $60 million contract in December to over­haul and upgrade one of two Cakra Type 209 (1300)-class diesel-electric submarines operated by the Indonesian Navy(JDW 11 Feb 2004)

(Janes Defence Weekly 7th April 2004)

Robert Karniol is JDW's Asia-Pacific Editor, based in Bangkok

military procurement in indonesia is very unpopular and is protested a lot how will push through this?

Kopasus, what assault rifle are those soldiers carrying? Looks like a combination of Kalashnikov and HK? Is it unique to Indon Army?

If I am not mistaken, Indonesia uses the Galil assault rifle, though I do not know what caliber they're using (7.62 or 5.56).

I think its the Pindad SS1 5.56mm assault rifle, the Indonesians' derivative of the Belgian FN FNC. But then the FN FNC, like the Galil is also an AK-47 derivative. ;)

Oh, yeah. My bad. When I saw the picture, I was thinking Galil. I forgot that the Galil IS a derivative of the FN FAL. Its probably the FAL and not a Galil, as there probably going to be issues if they buy weapons from Israel.

that is FNC indonesia make their own with licence from Belgium

at first glance they do look like FN FAL.... but could they be HK 33's instead?

:o I thought the Galil is based on the Valmet which is based on the AK-47 family of rifles?

One thing is sure sharfs, they are all AK-47 'improvements' - proof of the AK's inherent sound design.

well ....i think it all a mix up...FNC 5.56 is derive from the 7.62mm version which is derived from the FN-FAL...so the lineage is i guess not connected directly to the AK series.

the GALIL is derived from the AK ...as is the FINNISH VALMET ....and GALIL spawned the SOUTH AFRICAN "R" series rifle and carbines....

HK is derived from the CETME RIFLE...

so are the rest of todays assault rifles/carbine...their lineage can be trace to earlier version...even the venerable AK is derived from the WERGHMACHT STG RIFLE...????....WHATEVER IT IS THE BULLETS FIRED WILL STILL KILLS IF NOT INJURED A PERSON EITHER IN PEACE OR WAR!!!! :fire:

Good looking.

nice

Astig nga ang dating, ba't di ganyan ang itsura ng Scorpion natin?

There was one photo of our Scorpion with what looked like an acetylene tank strapped in front. :armyneutral:

Indonesia Wants to Buy More Russian Fighter Jets — Official

Indonesia, which has been placed under an arms embargo by the United States, plans to buy more fighter jets from Russia and is looking to East European nations for alternative weapons procurement, a senior Indonesian official, quoted by Reuters agency, said on Wednesday, Nov. 24.

Before the embargo, about 70 percent of Indonesia’s military weaponry had been imported from the United States, with the air force especially reliant on U.S. equipment, Director-General of Strategy and Defense Sudrajat said. “In the future we are going to add more Sukhois. Hopefully the government can finance this,” said Sudrajat, referring to the Russian-manufactured fighter jet.

Indonesia has four Sukhoi fighters now —- two SU-27SKs and two SU-30MKs. “But those four don’t have complete systems ... and those four amount to nothing if we don’t increase,” Sudrajat told Reuters on the sidelines of the Indo Defence international arms and defense exposition. “We hope to have one squadron, 12 to 16,” he said.

Asked whether the purchase would be made next year, Sudrajat said: “We will try, if it’s possible in the budget.”

Southeast Asian countries such as Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia are key partners of Russia’s arms exporters, including the state-owned Sukhoi corporation, which produces the SU-30 fighter.

An air force official said Indonesia has 12 U.S.-made F-16 jet fighters but fewer than two thirds are fully functional.

More here

...and the Philippines, soon?

:aberet:

If ever we go Russian then lets get the Su-30MK Multi Role Fighter.

Gripen - but the Sukhoi is a very good alternative.

:thumb:

su-30 is expensive, di kaya sa budget ng AFP, so why dont we settle for mig-29, it is also a good mutli role fighter and cost lesser than sukhoi series.

The MK is more capable and versatile than the MiG.

Indonesia To Cooperate With China On Producing Missiles: Report

Jakarta (AFP) May 18, 2005
Indonesia will sign a cooperation agreement with China to develop missiles, a media report quoted Research and Technology Minister Kusmayanto Kadiman as saying Wednesday.

An agreement was due to be signed during President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's China visit in June or July along with other agreements on trade and investment, he reportedly told the Republika daily.

The rockets, Kadiman said, would have diameters ranging from 150 to 250 milimeters and a range of between 15 and 30 kilometres.

"We are a maritime country, so our state defence should start from there," Kadiman was quoted as saying. "Long-range missiles, for example, can be launched from small islands or from ships."

He said under the agreement China would provide missiles for Indonesian scientists to dismantle and study, so that by the end of the cooperation term Indonesia could produce its own missiles.

The report gave no further details, and the ministry of research and technology declined immediate comment.

Indonesia is one of the world's largest archipelagos, with more than 17,700 islands.

This is topic also discussed here: http://www.worldsarmedforces.com/viewtopic.php?t=1985

is the new waff down again, i cant open it adroth

Indonesian Air Force plans to buy 12 Russian jet fighters

www.chinaview.cn 2005-06-23 19:13:25


JAKARTA, June 23 (Xinhuanet) -- The Indonesian Air Force plans to buy 12 Russia-made Sukhoi jet fighters in the next two years as an addition to the four Sukhois already in service, Air Force Chief of Staff Air Marshall Djoko Suyanto said here Thursday.

The purchase deal for six Sukhois is expected to take place this year and the deal for another six will be signed in 2006, Djoko said in a hearing with the House of Representatives' commission one overseeing defense and foreign affairs.

He said the purchase will cost 666.73 million US dollars.

"We hope the commission one can convince the government to materialize our plan," he told the legislators.

He did not elaborate which type of Sukhoi would be selected. Indonesia already bought two Sukhoi 27s and two Sukhoi 30s, all are unarmed, during the Megawati Soekarnoputri administration.

On the occasion, Djoko said the Air Force would need a budget of 21.9 trillion rupiah (around 2.3 billion dollars) for fiscal year 2006, but the government has agreed only some 11 percent of the proposed budget. Enditem

"At first, the idea was to give patrol boats that are already in used. But considering that speed and manoeuvrability are important in dealing with pirates in the strait, we decided it would be better to give new boat to Indonesia." Mr Hatsuhisa Takashima

Jakarta in missile deal with Beijing

By Shawn Donnan in Jakarta and Mure Dickie in Beijing
Published: July 31 2005 20:24 | Last updated: July 31 2005 20:24


Indonesia is seeking China's help in reviving a 41-year-old programme to build short- and medium-range missiles that could be used to replace US fighter jets grounded by a long-running arms embargo, the country's defence minister said on Sunday.


Chinese President Hu Jintao and his Indonesian counterpart, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, signed a series of agreements in Beijing last week meant to flesh out an April declaration that the two had formed a “strategic partnership”.

According to a statement issued afterwards, one agreement called for the two countries to “intensify bilateral co-operation” in defence, “work together in developing each other's defence industries”, and for “co-operation in defence technology”.

Indonesia's defence minister, Juwono Sudarsono, said on Sunday that agreement was meant to help Jakarta develop propulsion and guidance systems for land- and ship-based missiles with a range of up to 150km. The plan was a revival of proposals to develop similar missiles, he said, and was intended to help Indonesia's military diversify and end its current reliance on foreign-built fighter jets as a deterrent.

“We think it's going to be cheaper to offer some kind of deterrence rather than relying on fighter planes,” Mr Sudarsono said.

Six of the country's 10 F-16s are grounded as a result of a US arms embargo implemented in the 1990s because of human rights abuses by Indonesian troops in East Timor.

Jakarta has in recent years turned to Russia to buy Sukhoi fighters as an alternative.

Mr Sudarsono said he was not interested in Chinese fighter jets. Instead, Indonesian officials have been in contact with Chinese companies including North China Industries (Norinco), a state conglomerate, to line up help for a missile programme.

Washington imposed sanctions on Norinco in 2003 for allegedly helping Iran's missile programme.

Indonesia's missiles remain only an idea and any launch is at least five years away, the defence minister conceded.

Efforts dating back to 1964 by Jakarta to develop missile technology have achieved little “because of mismanagement, incompetence, and inter-agency rivalry”, Mr Sudarsono said.

As a result, the agreement between Beijing and Jakarta may cause little alarm in Washington. But it highlights China's growing security influence in Asia. Mr Sudarsono said he expected that within two years military relations with China would make up “40 per cent of our relations”.

Chinese analysts said the “strategic partnership” agreements marked a significant step in the political warming between Beijing and Jakarta.

But they added that China could be reluctant to provide much help to an Indonesian missile programme because of international agreements it has signed.

that's smart, right on the 150km limit set by the UN missile proliferation controls. but with such limited range it's pretty clear who these weapons are meant to deter...

hmmm,... looks similar.

worth looking into right?

looks similar :bs:

nope, only Sabah and a few Indonesian islets within 150 kms of the Philippines. take it from there, Einstein.

Well what I've meant was for our military to learn how to diversify as well as to be self-reliant in the future. :aberet:

Indonesia's Elite Forces

KOPASSUS

The Special Forces Command (KOPASSUS), formerly called the Sandi Yudha Forces Command and KOPASSANDHA (which also means Special Forces Command), are trained in intelligence gathering, a variety of special operations techniques, sabotage, and airborne and seaborne landings. Founded on 16 April 1952, KOPASSUS was reorganized and reduced in size in 1985, and by 1992 KOPASSUS forces numbered some 2,500 army personnel identifiable by their distinctive red berets organized into two operational groups and one training group.

By the late 1990s KOPASSUS numbered some 6,000-strong, an increase in the number of troops, but below that of 1985. Headquarters at Cijantung, East Jakarta, KOPASSUS had expanded to five Groups, with Group IV specifically handling intelligence operations along with the KOPASSUS Joint Intelligence Unit [SGI].

Circa year 2001, Kopassus reorganizes its personnels into some 5,000-strong forces. The new organization is as follows:

Group 1 Para Commando (Taktakan, Serang, Banten) with 3 batallions
Group 2 Para Commando (Kandang Menjangan, Kartasura, Solo) with 3 batallions
Group 3 Intelligence (Cijantung, Jakarta)
(1) Para Commando batallions (independent) (Semplak, Bogor)
(1) HQ Detachment (Cijantung, Jakarta)
(1) Unit-81 Anti-Terrorists (Cijantung, Jakarta)
Pusdikpassus / Special Forces Training Center (Batujajar, Bandung)


KOPASSUS is considered to be an elite force that has traditionally emphasized its small size and its quick-strike potential. It has been involved in numerous military actions in response to internal Indonesian unrest. KOPASSUS units were involved in 1981 in freeing the hostages from the "Woyla," the Garuda Airline plane hijacked by followers of Imran, leader of an Islamic splinter movement in West Java. KOPASSUS members climbed Mount Everest in 1997.


















Kopassus troops from Group I conducted an urban combat training

SAT-81 GULTOR

To anticipate the increase in potential airplane hijacking cases in the 70s and 80s, the head of Indonesian Army Strategic Intelligence Office (BAIS) formed a new detachment in the Army Special Forces (then Kopassandha). On June 30, 1982, the new unit, called Detasemen 81 (Den-81) Kopassandha, was formally established with Major Luhut B. Panjaitan as its first commander and Captain Prabowo Subianto as its first vice commander. Both of these officers had been sent to Germans GSG-9 (Grenzschutzgruppe-9) school to learn about the anti-terror techniques. These two officers then selected and trained the Den-81 troops.

The desire to form Den-81 was mostly motivated by the hijacking incident of Garudas DC-9 Woyla in Don Muang Airport, Bangkok-Thailand, on March 31, 1981. The troops that involved in the operation to free Woyla became the first troops in Den-81. Later, Den-81 was changed into Unit-81 Anti-Terror (Sat-81 Gultor). From 1995-2001, Den-81 became the Group 5 Antiterror (Groups 4 Sandhi Yudha) in the Kopassus (new name for Army Special Forces) structure.

Sat-81 Gultor is under the direct command of Kopassus commander in chief. Currently, this unit is led by a colonel. The recruitment process of this unit starts when the troops finish the Para and Commando programes in Batujajar, West Java. From here, they will be assigned to Group 1 and Group 2 of Kopassus for orientation or gaining combat experience. After returning from these assignments, these troops will be evaluated for further assignment to the Anti-terror unit. The Anti-terror program is conducted in Special Combat Training School in Batujajar, West Java.

The most recent successful operation conducted by Sat-81 Gultor is the rescue of 26 hostages from Kelly Kwaliks terrorist group in Irian Jaya on May 15, 1996. However, Operation Woyla is still the biggest and internationally well-known operation that Indonesain Army ever experienced.

Currently, there is no exact information of the number of troops in Sat-81 Gultor.

YON RAIDERS (Indonesian Army Raiders Batallions)


Batalyon Raiders (Raiders Battalions) were inaugurated on December 22, 2003. The first ten battalions that are Raiders-qualified were formed from eigth Kodam's (Military Territorial Command) assault infantry battalions and two Kostrad's non-airborne infantry battalions.

Each Raiders battalion has a strength of 747 personnels. They receive six-month intensive education and special trainings on modern combat, anti-guerilla, and conventional war. Each battalion is trained to have the combat ability of three regular infantry battalion, like combat ambush and air mobility (i.e. jump from helicopter).

To increase its combat ability, 50 personnel from each battalion will be trained further by Kopassus (Indonesian Army Special Force) on anti-terror and other special combat technique.

The ten new Raiders battalion are:

Yonif Linud 100 Bukit Barisan becomes Yonif 100/Raider Kodam Bukit Barisan;
Yonif 145/Bhakti Nagara becomes Yonif 200/Raider Kodam Sriwijaya;
Yonif 327 becomes Yonif 300/Raider Kodam Siliwangi;
Yonif 401 Banteng Raider becomes Yonif 400/Raider Kodam Diponegoro;
Yonif 507/Sikatan becomes Yonif 500/Raider Kodam Brawijaya;
Yonif Linud 612/Modang becomes Yonif 600/Raider Kodam Tanjungpura;
Yonif Linjud 700 Wira Yudha Sakti becomes Yonif 700/Raider Kodam Wirabuana;
Yonif 741/ Satya Bhakti becomes Yonif 900/Raider Kodam Udayana;
Yonif 323/ Buaya Putih Kostrad becomes Yonif 232/Raider divisi 1 Kostrad;
Yonif 412/Bharata Eka Sakti Kostrad menjadi Yonif 412/Raider divisi 2 Kostrad.

KOSTRAD (Komando Strategis Cadangan Angkatan Darat)

KOSTRAD [Army Strategic Reserve Command], which has between 25,000 and 26,000 troops, supervises operational readiness among all commands and conducts defense and security operations at the strategic level in accordance with policies of the ABRI commander. KOSTRAD came into being when Indonesia was dealing with the liberation of West Irian in 1960, and was formally constitued on 06 March 1961. Initially designated the Army General Reserve Corps, its name was changed to KOSTRAD in 1963.

These green-beret troops have never been absent from the various military operations, such as G-30-S/PKI [30 September Movement/Indonesian Communist Party], Trisula, the PGRS [Sarawak People's Guerrilla Force] in Sarawak, the PARAKU [North Kalimantan People's Force] in North Kalimantan, and Operation Seroja in East Timor. KOSTRAD troops have also been relied on at the international level, as was the case with Garuda troops in Egypt (1973-78) and Vietnam (1973-75) and with those in the combined peace force in the midst of the Iran-Iraq war of 1989 and 1990.

In 1984 the PANGKOSTRAD became responsible to the ABRI commander for the conduct of combat operations, called defense and security operations. At present, KOSTRAD has a strength of some 35,000 to 40,000 army personnel with two infantry divisions: the 1st Division, headquartered at Cilodong, West Java, and the 2d Division, headquartered at Malang, East Java. Each of the divisions contains airborne and infantry brigades. KOSTRAD also includes a separate airborne brigade; one cavalry brigade; two field artillery regiments; and several combat support and service support units.














Troops from 330th Airborne infantry battalion conducted an urban combat training.


330th bt.'s crossing of a swamp in an infiltration exercize.




A 330th bt.'s troop displaying his ability to do rappeling down on a waterfall in the combat situation.


Two snipers from 330th bt. stand guard to protect their comrades who are rappeling down on a waterfall.

TONTAIPUR (Peleton Intai Tempur)

The combat and reconnaissance platoon (Tontaipur) is Kostrads newest elite unit, formed on August 4, 2001. After a five-month intensive trainings, 97 personnels selected from the 9th and the 13th Infantry Brigades became the first troops for this elite unit.

Just as the name implies, Tontapiur will be sent to do surveillance and reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines and destroy enemys strategic installations. Some of the equipments that these troops carry are special assault rifles and night vision goggle (NVG). Each Tontaipur personnel has the abilities to conduct operations on land, sea, and in the air.

The first test for Tontaipur was the operation to demolish the Free Aceh Movements (GAM).










Beach landing training


Training with blowpipe






Beach infiltration training


Tontaipur troop equipped with night-vision goggle.




Tontaipur survival test.

Indonesian Navy Special Forces

Korps Marinir

Born on November 15, 1945, the Marine Corps (Kormar) is the Indonesian Navys ground troops. The corps has the duties of, offensively, being the main forces in amphibious combat operations and, defensively, being the quick reaction forces in emergency situation to defend the beach fronts from enemys invasion.

Kormar has been active in various military operations in Indonesia. One of the biggest amphibious military operation was Operation Jayawijaya in which thousands of marines landed in West Irian in the early 60s as a part of Trikora campaign to free West Irian from Dutch occupation.

In 1999 a plan was proposed to expand the Kormar from the current strength of 13,000 personnels. Based on this plan, every Kormars base will have three combat brigades: the Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery and will be supported by one Combat Support Regiment and one Administration Support Regiment. The expansion will create three Kormar bases: Surabaya for Eastern area command, Jakarta for Central area command, and Rate Island in Lampung for Western area command. The expansion also will increase the strength of Kormar to 23,000 personnels.














Marines in jungle war training


Marines attacking Aceh's beach in 2003.


Indonesian marines in their amphibious armored vehicle patrol near the Arun LNG plant outside Lhokseumawe, Aceh




Indonesian marines snipers in parade (2005).