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 Armoured trucks/cars, APC, AIFV, etc.
aldon
Posted: Jul 16 2004, 06:53 PM


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You are the Chief-of-Staff of your country's Armed Forces. A joint Army/Marine study has suggested the replacement of the two services' light armor assets consisting of tracked M113 Gavins and wheeled V150/300 Commandos in APC, A/IFV and FSV configurations. In order to have a smaller project cost, the study suggested to upgrade existing inventory and procure new platforms, rather than to put in reserve existing inventory and procure new platforms to replace mothballed units. Congress has approved your request and a limited budget has been appropriated.

What will choose? and why?


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Singa Lion
Posted: Jul 17 2004, 06:10 PM


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good for phillipines to have bionix ifvs and future singapore build thunderbolts st kinetics too can modify ptresent m113s for improvement thumb.gif


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Switik
Posted: Jul 19 2004, 10:03 AM


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I would like to see a fully motorized (or mechanized) PA infantry division equipped with Casspir mine-protected APCs, MOWAG Eagle multipurpose vehicles, refurbished/improved Gavins in various configurations, Primus SPHs, G5 towed howitzers, and Buford AGS or ASCOD Light Tanks. An air assault battalion equipped with Mi-8s or Mi-17s with Defender attack/recon helos crewed by Army pilots would also be a good addition. thumb.gif
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edwin
Posted: Jul 26 2004, 12:16 PM


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LAV-25....good mobility specially for the Philippine terrain.Good firepower and the same time it can swimmm.
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Switik
Posted: Jul 26 2004, 04:05 PM


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QUOTE (edwin @ Jul 26 2004, 12:16 PM)
LAV-25....good mobility specially for the Philippine terrain.Good firepower and the same time it can swimmm.

most applicable for our marines
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joojump
Posted: Jul 28 2004, 02:52 PM


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other than the scorpions and simbas, what other armored vehicles or tanks do we have?
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Iron Dragon
Posted: Jul 28 2004, 07:39 PM


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QUOTE (joojump @ Jul 28 2004, 02:52 PM)
other than the scorpions and simbas, what other armored vehicles or tanks do we have?

You can go here:

Opus AFP Armor page

its comprehensive thumb.gif


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Posted: Jul 30 2004, 09:20 AM


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QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Jul 28 2004, 07:39 PM)
QUOTE (joojump @ Jul 28 2004, 02:52 PM)
other than the scorpions and simbas, what other armored vehicles or tanks do we have?

You can go here:

Opus AFP Armor page

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You were right. The site is comprehensive. Why, I didn't realize till now why the 25mm Simba was such a light vehicle. Must be the one-man, pedla powered tube frame chassis. Also great to presenting a low target profile not to mention readily expendable and replaceable power units.
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Posted: Jul 30 2004, 09:44 AM


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QUOTE (boomouse @ Jul 30 2004, 09:20 AM)
QUOTE (Iron Dragon @ Jul 28 2004, 07:39 PM)
QUOTE (joojump @ Jul 28 2004, 02:52 PM)
other than the scorpions and simbas, what other armored vehicles or tanks do we have?

You can go here:

Opus AFP Armor page

its comprehensive thumb.gif

You were right. The site is comprehensive. Why, I didn't realize till now why the 25mm Simba was such a light vehicle. Must be the one-man, pedla powered tube frame chassis. Also great to presenting a low target profile not to mention readily expendable and replaceable power units.

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Do you really know AFVs or you mistook the Simba for a pedal-powered tricycle.


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Mercenary
Posted: Aug 10 2004, 07:31 AM


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How much $funding$ are we talking about here for 'new' Armored Combat Vehicles anyhow?

I'd transfer all the 4x4 V-150 APCs to Army reserve and regular National Police units.

UpGrade all the remaining V-300 6x6 APCs with more advanced steel armor plate, spall liners, and 'reactive armor' for better protection against RPGs. Run-flat tires, jam proof communications, fire detection/suppression systems. Install passive Night Vision driving and fighting gear. And finally install power operated, two man armored turreted 20mm Giat cannon.

UpGrade and develop three different variants of V-300s most of which would be APCs, with about a third being Fire Support Vehicles armed with a 'breach-loaded' turreted 81mm Mortar & coaxial .50HMG. With at least a dozen serving as specialized Armored Recovery Vehicles.

All the M-113 APCs, FSVs and ARVs would get the same types of UpGrades, with the exception that at least 5-would be converted to Armored Command & Control Vehicles.

The ideal 'future' Armored Combat Vehicle for BOTH the PhilARMY and Marines is the ACV-S

"ACV-S is a stretched version of the FNSS ACV which is in service with the Turkish Land Forces, the United Arab Emirates and Malaysia and has been ordered by Jordan. The ACV has been deployed in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo with Turkish Land Forces in support of UN peacekeeping operations. Over 2,500 ACV vehicles have been ordered.

The vehicle is suitable for fast deployment by rapid reaction forces, requires no special permit for road transportation and is air transportable on a C-130 Hercules."

"The vehicle also provides amphibious operation."

This IS perhaps one of the best reasons to procure this vehicle:

"The ACV-S has high commonality of components with the ACV-300 and the M113, which gives the advantage of reduced logistic requirements in spares inventories, training, reliability and maintainability."

High commonality of components with the M-113.

And the stretched ACV-S provides the crew and embarked infantry squad with a much higher level of protection than a standard M-113.

"ACV-S SELF-PROTECTION
The armour gives protection against 14.5mm armour piercing rounds. Optional add on armour kits and internal spall liners provide protection against 30mm ballistic rounds and rocket propelled grenades such the RPG-7 armed with high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rounds."

"For protection against mines the vehicle is fitted with a floor spall liner and 18mm armour plate in the floor. The vehicle is fitted with collapsible shock absorbing seats. The sponsons have additional armour which provides increased protection to the driver."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/acv-s/acv-s10.html



http://www.army-technology.com/projects/acv-s/index.html

The other obvious choice especially for the PhilMARINEs is none other than:




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Mercenary
Posted: Aug 10 2004, 07:35 AM


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Whoops! My copy job didn't take. LOL

This IS thee Armored Combat Vehicle for the PhilMARINES. It's also in operational service with several other nations including at least 50 with the South Korean Marine Corp.

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http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/bmp-38.html
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Frustrated Foot Soldier
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 05:15 PM


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If the PA is to buy a brand new Infantry Fighting Vehicle, what do you think it should be?

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Frustrated Foot Soldier
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 05:19 PM


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I am an active PA infantryman and if the decision is up only to me my choice is the British Warrior. smile.gif
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eraserdick
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 05:45 PM


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it should be the Singaporean Bionix - light, powerful, tracked, well-armed and less costly than european or american types
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Frenzy
Posted: Aug 11 2004, 07:22 PM


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Phil Army troopers have always been vulnerable to roadside ambushes and mine blasts killing them while on board Humvees and trucks. Its time for the Army to consider mineblast protected transports like the Bushmaster:
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* Excellent cross-country mobility and handling characteristics. The Bushmaster was designed for the most daunting Australian terrains but is equally suitable in a range of environments and conditions such as highway, mud/snow and sand and emergency conditions
* Arvin Meritor all wheel drive independent suspension. Coil springs, wishbones and double acting hydraulic shock absorbers complete the suspension package with differential locks front, centre and rear
* Caterpillar six cylinder, turbocharged electronically controlled emission compliant diesel engine providing up to 330hp (240kW) and exceptional torque at low speeds
* Choice of ZF or Allison automatic transmissions
* A high cruising speed of more than 110kph (66mph)
* Extended on road cruise range capacity - only requiring refuelling every 1000kms (600 miles)
* An optional central tyre inflation system that allows the driver to adjust tyre pressures in transit
* An optional self recovery winch
* Maximum ease of repair and maintenance with modular power pack
* Variants of the Bushmaster include:
o Troop transporter (standard variant)
o Command and control
o Ambulance
o Direct Fire Support Weapon
o Combat Engineer
o Scout

http://www.adi-limited.com/2-01-010-040-030.html
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