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Iron Dragon
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 04:59 PM


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Anything new about the much-vaunted Light Reaction Company?


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Posted: Jul 29 2004, 08:58 PM


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They are being upgraded to become LRB (light reaction battalion)
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Ka Rondo
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:05 PM


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QUOTE (Guest @ Jul 29 2004, 12:58 PM)
They are being upgraded to become LRB (light reaction battalion)

Better a fully-equipped, rapidly-transportable, preferably airmobile LRC than an ill-equipped, slow-moving LRB.
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Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:13 PM


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I think that is not the purpose, they will still operate at company strength, the only difference is that there will be 3 LRCs under the 1st LRB which will be assigned different tasks in different areas. I won't be surprised if they grew to regimental size in 5 years.
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Ka Rondo
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:21 PM


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QUOTE (Guest @ Jul 29 2004, 01:13 PM)
I think that is not the purpose, they will still operate at company strength, the only difference is that there will be 3 LRCs under the 1st LRB which will be assigned different tasks in different areas. I won't be surprised if they grew to regimental size in 5 years.

3 LRCs will require more money and resources, I think the Philippines is already awashed with special purpose units, why not retain it at current strength and make it a small force with a very strong and lightning-fast wallop.
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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:35 PM


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I concur pare, the equipment is US aid but the consumables are paid by the AFP. They may not have the budget to maintain it.
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flipzi
Posted: Aug 9 2004, 12:10 AM


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I believe this setup, which is the upgrading of the LRC into a battalion will only ruin the effectiveness of the entire AFP org.

Instead of working together for a specific purpose, these units will now compete with each other to capture the distinction of being the best.

Time will come when the SRs and SFs will compete with these battalion-sized LRCs.

Plus the fact that the operating cost for this "independent" battalion-sized team will again be a big concern.

CREATING A COMPETITION AMONG THE SPEC OPS TEAM IS A GOOD STRATEGY IN RUINING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE ENTIRE SPECIAL OPS COMMAND.

If SOCOM turns in disarray, then expect the insurgency problem to worsen.



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Posted: Aug 9 2004, 09:17 AM


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QUOTE (flipzi @ Aug 9 2004, 12:10 AM)
I believe this setup, which is the upgrading of the LRC into a battalion will only ruin the effectiveness of the entire AFP org.

Instead of working together for a specific purpose, these units will now compete with each other to capture the distinction of being the best.

Time will come when the SRs and SFs will compete with these battalion-sized LRCs.

Plus the fact that the operating cost for this "independent" battalion-sized team will again be a big concern.

CREATING A COMPETITION AMONG THE SPEC OPS TEAM IS A GOOD STRATEGY IN RUINING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE ENTIRE SPECIAL OPS COMMAND.

If SOCOM turns in disarray, then expect the insurgency problem to worsen.

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there will be competition among the special operations units, not only in materiel but also in assignments which will be detrimental to everybody.


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zeroalpha
Posted: Aug 9 2004, 11:43 AM


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transforming the LRC into LRB will drain resources from other units because the LRC is supposed to be the creme de la creme of special ops units so the military will try to make the unit as up to date as possible, relegating the SRs and SFs to second rate status which will not be taken lightly by these units
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Posted: Aug 9 2004, 04:57 PM


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QUOTE (zeroalpha @ Aug 9 2004, 03:43 AM)
transforming the LRC into LRB will drain resources from other units because the LRC is supposed to be the creme de la creme of special ops units so the military will try to make the unit as up to date as possible, relegating the SRs and SFs to second rate status which will not be taken lightly by these units

Maybe it is not the case,

First the SR and SF is regimental size while the LRC is company size only, if transformed into LRB it will just transform into three LRC companies to become a battalion (or maybe a reinforced battalion).

Second, SR, SF and LRC/LRB will always have different functions, SR for jungle warfare, raids and ambushes, SF for in terrain counter guerilla ops and LRC/LRB for counter terrorism.

Third, Increasing LRC to LRB will not render SR & SF to second rate status. But if LRB will be delegated to SR & SF tasks, then that's another story. That's like shooting yourself in the foot.
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Posted: Sep 10 2004, 10:57 AM


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QUOTE (caterwaul @ Aug 9 2004, 09:17 AM)

there will be competition among the special operations units, not only in materiel but also in assignments which will be detrimental to everybody.

good competition builds cooperation among the units.. likewise competition without cooperation will be catasthropic..and combination of competition and cooperation will make an military organization such as AFP truly professional.


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Flipzi
Posted: Sep 19 2004, 06:03 PM


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There's a great chance that the SR and SF and even SWAG will be underutilized when the LRC is transformed into a bigger group.

Economy is a big factor here.

How can they be assured that their requirements will be provided?

They've got high tech gears and a sustained advancement in skills training is also a big concern for these units.

Nonetheless, forming 3 LRCs into Battalion may not be bad at all as long as they will not be competing with other Spec Ops units.

All Spec Ops groups must have their own specific missions.

Competition is only good for business entities .... and it's the opposite for military units.

The LRC should complement the operations of a larger group like that of the SR or SF to strengthen or multiply the effectiveness of the Spec Ops teams.


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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Sep 20 2004, 02:07 PM


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QUOTE (Flipzi @ Sep 19 2004, 10:03 AM)
There's a great chance that the SR and SF and even SWAG will be underutilized when the LRC is transformed into a bigger group.

Economy is a big factor here.

I just can't see the wisdom in that.

1. The LRC is the most expensive unit in the AFP inventory, on consumable batteries alone, an LRC unit budget is the same as any other PA company yet these consumable items can eat as much as 50% of their operating budget. We are going to organize units that's going to live off the land?

2. LRC is good in MOUT and FIBUA and its variants in rural setting but jungle warfare, LRRP, raids, ambushes, long tab operations, indigenous area defense, local anti-guerilla warfare organization, waterborne operations and riverine infantry tactics. That's a tall order for the LRC as the SWAG, SR & SF is currently doing that.

3. The SF, SR and SWAG has been good at maintaining the budget and the mission they carry. Their combat yield to cost ratio is one of the best the AFP has. Why on earth kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
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Posted: Sep 21 2004, 05:23 PM


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Are we still capable of maintaining/sustaining the budget requirement for the LRC? AFAIK, the Americans provided the equipment only but not the operating and maintenance expenses.
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martilyo
Posted: Sep 22 2004, 10:16 AM


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di na siguro---once the equipment breaksdown, the afp no longer have funds to replace or buy spareparts for the hightech eqpt like the nvgs, radios, optical sights, etc... nono.gif
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