PA Air Assault Regiment?

did the PA Air Assault Regiment actually conducted operations, let say, against Commies and Muslim separatists/terrorists?

how does the PA and the PAF coordinate with each other regarding the operations of the PA Air Assault Regiment?

bos flipzi tampo ka naman agad

maganda layunin ng plano mo, pero sabi nga ni bos pendejo, pwede naman tayo magbuo ng air assault regiment pero nasa tamang layunin dapat ang pagbuo nito.

Unang una, air mobile sa kaunting kaalaman ko ay batay sa cavalry concept. Ang yunit ng AFP na concentrated sa cavalry concept is the PA LABde (PA Armored Div in the future).

Mas maganda sana kung ang PA Air Assualt Regiment ay batay sa formation ng PA Armored Div. Ang PA armored div ay sa unang pagbinhi ay batay sa dalawang regiments, ang 1st Armor Regiment (dating LBde) at ang 1st Air Mobile Regiment (bagong regiment). May katakhan batayan kung bakit gayon ang tukoy ng bagong division. Ang 1st Armor Regiment ay katumbas ng cavalry forces natin sa malalaking land mass ng kapuluan habang ang 1st Air Mobile Regiment ay RDF sa islands na katumbas armored formation pero air deployable.

Layunin ng usapan ninyo ni pendejo (sa aking pagkakaintindi) ay kung ang bagong air mobile regiment ay dapat may sariling air assets or operational control lamang ng air assets (OPCON), sa totoo lang di ko alam ang sagot sapagkat may pros and cons ang issue.

Isang isyu na dapat pag tuunan ng pansin ay kung ang air mobile/air assualt regiment ay light armored regiment na dedeploy gamit ang air assets or ang regiment na ito ay regiment na may fixed/rotary air assets na may katungkulan ng isang armored brigade gamit ang air assets.

Sa akin kaunting kaalaman, medyo may kamahalan ang air mobile na ang armor ay batay sa air-ground warfighting concept sapagkat may kamahalan ang attack helo at ang katumbas na armor walker troops ay dapat i airlift sa lahat ng pagkakataon (sapagkat may kasabihan na " tanks and aircraft do not hold ground but troops do").

Kung ang iyung layunin naman batay sa iyong salaysay gamit ang SF, na air deployed recon/raid units ang gagalaw, mayroon na po ang PAF niyan at sa katunayan, iyan ang original mandate ng SpOW. Bakit hindi ibigay na po lamang ang role na iyan sa SpOW? di po ba?

Kaya po ako medyo na naguluhan dahil air assualt regiment ang iyong layunin pero medyo spec ops po ang iyong salaysay. Medyo nagulintang lang ako kung ano ba ang direksyon na pakay ng lahat na nagsasalaysay.

Pasensiya na po at tao po lamang

nagmamahal

Ok. Now i can understand why.

Not a bad concept. The setup even seem ideal.

That's clear enough. The Air Mobile Regiment as RDF? Perfect! Just the right setup we need considering our geography.

They should be organized that way. Else, they will not be very effective.

That's my biggest question.

We are underutilizing a very effective fighting unit.

Why create another when an existing unit, that can do the same, is not being utilized enough still?

The Air Mobile Regiment with the attack choppers implies a "large-scale"operation unlike the SpecOps concept. That's my guide nonetheless.

Okay, we now have the SF for small unit operations and the Air Mobile Regiment for large-scale operations. NOT A BAD SETUP.

The future setup would even be to have the SF initiate the assault while the Air Mobile Regiment will support the SF or that the SF will help secure the deployment of the Air Mobile Regiment.

The question now is, what shall we do with SpOW?

The best solution would be to transfer the men and assets from the PAF to the Army Armored Division. The SpOW will now form the Air Mobile Regiment.

This is a good setup since the PAF can now focus on maintaining and enhancing their air asset.

The PAF can retain the funds if they desire to and just divert it to finance "base and surveillance facilities development".

The thing here is that we are trying to make our operations cost-efficient.

Creating too many units doing the same task or almost the same task defeats that purpose.



If we can save funds we can then use it to finance other concerns like facilities development and the purchase and maintenance of weapons or other assets.

Maganda po ang inyong ideya tungkol sa pag lipat ng SpOW to the PA at maging elements ng 1st Air Mobile Regiment (fictional), Ngunit ang SpOW ay nakapagsanay sa mga kakayahan ng Ranger at mga DRC. Ang kakayahang ito ay batay sa light infantry/recon/raid tactics.

Upang tunay na maging Air mobile regiment sila, maraming bagay ang dapat ipaliwanag tungkol sa batayan ng kanilang kakayahan. Kunyari....

1. Sila po ba ay light infantry air deployed regiment or sila po ba ay katumbas sa kakayahan ng isang conventional light armored regiment.

2.Dapat ipaliwanag ang kanilang main deployment mode, ano ang hitsura pag sila ay ideneploy na Bn size or regimental size, pupwede po ba sa doktrina ng bagong regiment puro detached service (DS tulad ng LABde) ang mga Coy or Platoons or dapat sila lamang ay gamitin batay sa "mass and concentration of forces".

3. ano po ang hitsura ng kanilang spearhead elements, ito po ba ay air deployed light armored spearhead or ito po ba ay attack helo centric spearhead. Dapat i define ang kanilang weapons and capability batay sa lakas, topograpiya at kakayahan ng kanilang dapat na supilin na formation ng kalaban.

4. Sila po ba ay kasama sa nat'l maneuver force at ano ang kanilang tactical and strategic value, significance and relevance.

Kahit ano pa man, ako ay suma sang-ayon na ang SpOW ang pinakamagandang kandidato para maging 1st organic complement ng 1st air mobile regiment.

That's the only way we can FULLY ENHANCE and utilize the men from the SpOW.

They will have a bigger and much more defined role in defending our country.

I believe the AFP must start drafting this setup now.

tama rin pero what do u think is a great gunship for the this new put up unit?

Correct we need a new air hardware on these ....

EXISTING PA BA ETONG UNIT NA ETO? WHY I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF THEIR UNIT IN THE NEWS???

Actually, it's there already.

It is what the Special Forces - Airborne is for.

Only, it is taking a smaller role.

Evenentually, when the external defense is given much attention, they will form part of the first to enter the battlefield.

Do you mean to say, sir, that the Army Special Forces Airborne and the PA air assault regiment are one and the same?

Help me please I'm confused. hehe.

Well, ..... seems like it.

Air Assault Regiment is envisioned to be a heliborne troop organization. Nonetheless, heliborne still falls under the area of expertise of the typical Airborne unit.

Besides, we arent a rich country. So, maintaining two separate units for heliborne and plane-dropped units is inefficient.

This post has been edited by flipzi on Jun 4 2007, 07:47 PM

IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN WHY NOT MAKE IT AS A ONE OR SOLE UNIT THEN? CONFUSING NGA TALAGA YUNG 2 UNITS... AND, AS WHAT YOU HAD SAID, WE ARE IN A STATE WHERE WE ONLY NEED ONE AIRBORNE UNIT (ECONOMICS IS THE REASON)...

Do you mean to say, sir, that the Army Special Forces Airborne and the PA air assault regiment are one and the same?

Help me please I'm confused. hehe.

Di po sila pareho, ang PA ay merong Aeroscout Bn under sa Light Armor Division. Air observer battalion lang ito to support armored warfare and artillery observation.

Ang SFRA Special Forces Regiment- Airborne ay hindi air assualt regiment kundi ay isang regiment specializing on immersed counter insurgency tactics kalimitan sa role nila ay mag lead ng CAFGU/Indigenous at CVO fighters tulad ng role ng USSF sa vietnam.

Ang SpOW naman ay kasapi sa PAF ground combat group composed of 4 wings (battalions), kalimitan, habang naghihintay ang ating mga PAF recruits for aircraft training, upon commission sila ay inilalagay sa SpOW habang naghihintay ng aircraft training. Kalimitan sila ang nagiging coy and platoon commanders. Ang ating mga PAf officers na nanilbihan sa mga deactivated wings and squadrons ay nilalagay as bn and group staff ng SpOW. Kalimitan sila ay tinitrain ng FSRR (SROC) at Infantry Div Training Unit (CS). Ang SpOW ay isang infantry battalion at lumalaban halintulad ng ating mga PA infantry battalions. Sila ay deployed sa southern luzon at visayas.

Ang pinaguusapan ay kung sino sa kanilang dalawa ang gagawing air assualt regiment. Ang pawari ko ay dapat ang SpOW ang kandidato sapgakat di papayag ang army na matabasan ang kanilang budget para i maintain ang kaukulang hardware.




Medyo nalilito po ang iba sa air assault at airborne concept. Wala po tayong air assualt regiment halintulad ng Air Cav ng ibang bansa ngunit marami po tayong airborne troops. Tulad ng SFRA, FSRR at PMC.
Ang FSRR at SFRA ay pwedeng gamitin as "AIR DEPLOYABLE REGIMENT", meaning pwede silang i deploy in massive formations (more than one Bn) as paratroops ngunit ground assualt forces pa rin sila. Ang PMC naman ay kayang mag deploy ng airborne troops kahit brigade size (kung gugustuhin) ngunit ground assualt forces pa rin sila. Ang mga yunit na ito ay pwede sa ganitong role pagkat ang mga organic personel ng mga nasabing units are airborne qualified.


Para saguting ang kataungan mo? wala pa tayong air assault regiment. Ito ang dahilan bakit

1. Ang battalion air lift ng isang battalion ay nangangailangan ng 38 na helos, ang air assualt regiment na may 3 fighting Bns at HQ Bn ay nangangailangan ng ganito kadaming airlift capacity.

2. Air assault concept ay armor concept (2 dimensional time & space) na ginawang 3 dimensions (time and space in 3 dimensions), so ang 40 or so helo para sa lift ay para sa armor support infantry pa lamang, nangangalingan pa ng attack helo at or air gunship assets.

3. Ang air assault regiment ay gagastos ng katumbas sa dalawang infantry division sa MO&E pa lamang. Napakagastos!

4. Ang last battalion lift ng joint PAF-PA collaboration ay nangyari nung 1970s at di na naulit muli, karamihan ay company assualt airlift ay nangyari nung 1990s karamihan mga misyon ng FSRR. Masuwerte ka ngayon kung payagan ka mag platoon assault airlift.

Flipzi ano ba talaga tinutukoy mo? Airborne/Heliborne Unit or Air Assualt Unit?


Di kailangan heliborne lahat ng tropa para mag air assault, sa Rhodesia may air assualt unit sila noong 70s gamit ang DC3 at airborne troops, ngunit ang kanilang doctrine ay joint air gunship-paratroop concept. Ang gunships nila ay ang umaatake, at nireredepoly nila ang paratroops directly sa flank ng enemy forces (as close as 700meters away). Kalimitan sa isang araw, inaatake nila ang kalaban ng gunships ine envelope ng airborne paratroops, pag atras ng kalaban, ang airborne troops ay sinasakay ulit sa DC3 (nasa disyerto ang kanilang AOR) at nireredeploy ulit sa flank ang withdrawing enemy forces sa loob ng isang araw. Karamihan sa kanilang sundalo ay mga ex SAS, ex Australian SAS at ex US Rangers.

Ang air assault ay parang armored assault. Ang airborne/heliborne unit ay infantry assualt pa rin air inserted lamang sila. Usually air assualt is combined arms at hindi infantry ang spearhead ngunit air gunships.

My mistake, Surehitter.

Let's all settle down on your explanation instead.

I believe this one is the best explanation why we dont maintain a group named as Air Assault Regiment.

There was a similar thread on Air Cav (or was it Air Assault Regiment as well) and the matter you pointed out was the closest statement on the conclusion for that.

This post has been edited by flipzi on Jun 22 2007, 09:46 PM