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suderner
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:15 PM


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in newspapers and tv news, its common to see army troops shown in close formation during patrols, why is this so? a single landmine or well set ambush can easily wipeout the entire patrol considering their proximity to each other, jusk asking, no offense meant...

example from manila times website:

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NPA STRIKES in Rizal. An Army patrol sets out in pursuit of a band of New People’s Army rebels that attacked a remote barangay, Puray Macapicapic, in Rodriguez, Rizal, Tuesday. A three-year-old boy was killed and his mother wounded in the attack. Photo by Ruy Martinez

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flipzi
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:27 PM


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They know the danger.

In this photo, speed and ease of movement is not negated.

Nonetheless, they know when and where they need to change their movements to avoid being killed in an ambush or being torn apart by a landmine blast.

The Scout Rangers can answer you better because they seldom get ambushed or hit by landmines.

Nonetheless, it's their tactic, so probably you wont get anything much beyond this line.


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Ghostter
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:43 PM


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Still wrong.

Right flank is not even covered.

And judging from the photo, the patrol is already in country - no chances should have been taken.

Pretty bad patrol discipline.

And flipzi, not all of your troops are Scout Rangers, they're relatively few.

Regular troops are not exempted from always practicing proper patrol tactics.

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flipzi
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 06:49 PM


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That photo aint the real scene in actual operations.

Probably, why all are focusing on the left flank is because the sexy lady who's part of the news crew is standing right there.

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Dont get too serious on news photos like this.

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Fallen Angel
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 07:54 PM


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I think Ghostter is right, this pic might not even a photo op but actual footage of a patrol setting out.

Why not have these regular troops trained by Scout Rangers even the basics of patrol security and tactics.



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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Mar 2 2005, 07:56 PM


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Its a photo op for heaven's sake.


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Flashbang
Posted: Mar 3 2005, 03:17 PM


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quoting cdf from medevac thread at phil marines forum:
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Again, it goes back to training, techniques and procedures, that to my opinion is lacking. This issue about vests is just excuses.



this photo op manifests lack of training and technique so no excuses also!

even a photo op should show the degree of professionalism and training of your soldiers!
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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Mar 3 2005, 04:03 PM


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QUOTE (Flashbang @ Mar 3 2005, 03:17 PM)
quoting cdf from medevac thread at phil marines forum:
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Again, it goes back to training, techniques and procedures, that to my opinion is lacking. This issue about vests is just excuses.



this photo op manifests lack of training and technique so no excuses also!

even a photo op should show the degree of professionalism and training of your soldiers!


You can only conclude if someone's training is bad if the unit was wiped out or ended up dead unecessarily.

These guys are still walking they are not dead so I can only reckon that they have used their training so far. You do not even know them, you do not know what they went through that day, its a page off a diary. Its not fair to them.

So don't fV@ck!*g quote me about them, I do not concur about my other statements used for this topic. Use your own words to describe them, do not drag me to the game your playing.

Anyone should detest if an idiot uses his word or name for an idiotic agenda.



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flipzi
Posted: Mar 3 2005, 04:39 PM


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QUOTE (ColdDeadFish @ Mar 3 2005, 04:03 PM)
You can only conclude if someone's training is bad if the unit was wiped out or ended up dead unecessarily.


That's the bottomline, friends!


Compare these lightly-armed but experienced troops with these guys below.

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Remember this one, CDF? PAwink.gif

Get these guys go after the Moslem bandits here and i bet these well-equipped guys will end up in bodybags.

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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Mar 3 2005, 05:13 PM


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oh yeah I remember, this guy with camo paint and and stops in front of a window in broad daylight not using the shadows. That's someone's idea of good training and professionalism. Can't blame one time and occasional warriors. I bet they are issued with landmine proof boots, why train them on movement into minefields when we can issue them landmine proof boots

It protects your feet but its a gambit with your dick!


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flipzi
Posted: Mar 3 2005, 05:19 PM


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They should know how Col. Noel Buan and his men killed the ASG bandits.

These guys think that being geared that much and trained that much is enough for them to defeat the sturdy Moslem juramentados and the gutsy commies here.

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Hello!

What have you guys been reading all along? PAlol.gif

BTW guys, it seems that we are trying to take a step back to where we have decided not to go to anymore.

This is a forum.

It's about learning from each other.

Flash and the rest of your peers, please try making your point in a more cordial manner. Okay?

We can all learn a lot if you know where to put things right! thumb.gif


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Iron Dragon
Posted: Mar 5 2005, 03:08 PM


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Flashbang, these are not photo op pics of US troops in a combat zone, what can you say?

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mackie
Posted: Mar 5 2005, 04:25 PM


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and those are us marines
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ColdDeadFish
Posted: Mar 5 2005, 10:43 PM


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Oh this is the best picture for me, a professional hit, problem is, I can hit that distance with a 90RR and will not miss yards away from the target on the right. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! specool.gif


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poolkool
Posted: Mar 6 2005, 08:09 AM


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actually there were TWO targets, that was a direct hit - the other target was also hit

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